Frequently Asked Questions

CHAIN LINK GATES 101

Chain link gates are a great option for residential and commercial properties. They're cost-effective, tough, and easy to install. It's important to note there are three types of chain link gates: walk-through/pedestrian gates, chain link rolling gates, and chain link double swing gate/drive-through gates. Walk-through chain link gates are great for allowing pedestrian traffic on and off your property. Rolling gates close off an entrance or exit, whereas double swing gates can be opened in both directions.

Each type of chain link gate has its own pros and cons. Here's what you should know about our chain link gate options at All American Fence Erectors.

Walk Thru/Pedestrian Gate:

This is the most affordable and convenient gate to use for simply getting from one side of the fence to the other. Walk-through gates are mostly placed in the fence line where sidewalks are or next to the house for ease of use walking around the house from the front yard to the backyard. Most walk-through or pedestrian gate sizes range from 3’-6’ in width, and our most common size is 4’ wide.

This type of gate is also the easiest to open and close. It is meant for pedestrian traffic only so it can be opened by hand or with a handle that attaches to an electric opener. Just like chain link rolling gates or double swing gates, it's a simple and versatile option for ensuring controlled access to your property.

4x5 walk gate
4x5 walk gate
  • This is the most affordable and convenient gate to use for simply getting from one side of the fence to the other.
  • Most often walk gates are placed in the fence line where sidewalks are or up next to the house for ease of use walking around the house from the front yard to the backyard.
  • Walk gate sizes range from 3’-6’ in width and our most common size is 4’ wide.

Double swing/drive thru gate:

This is the most affordable type of gate to get a car or truck through. Double swing gates range from 10’-20’ in width, and our most common is 12’-16’ wide. Our chain link double swing gates are made with 11 gauge steel, which is thicker than most standard chain link gates. The double swing gate opens up to 180° for ease of use. This allows it to be left open or closed while still providing access at all times.

6' chain link, 16' double swing gate
  • This is the most affordable type of gate to get a car or truck thru.
  • Double swing gates range from 10’-20’ in width, our most common is 12’-16’ wide.
Pros
  • Most affordable vehicle gate
  • Rocky ground or rough asphalt doesn’t affect gate, gate doesn’t touch ground
  • Unlike chain link rolling gates, this type of gate doesn’t touch the ground
  • Lightweight, swing open and close with little strength/effort
Cons
  • Grade under the gate should be relatively level for swing clearance
  • In windy conditions gates can get blown around when in use, this can be fixed with gate holdbacks.
  • If gate gets slammed it is easy for hinges to spin out of adjustment, but usually easy to fix
  • Gates are known to sag if heavy abuse is used
  • Installing a gate operator is usually not practical on this type of gate

We recommend this gate if infrequent use and/or rough ground is present.

Rolling gate:

A chain link rolling gate is ideal for main driveways where the gate opening is flat, and concrete is underneath the gate opening. This type of rolling gate is for openings from 12'-20' wide. More often than not, rolling gates get a bad rap for wheels hanging up and gates not rolling straight into the gate latch. The good thing is, this can be solved. A rolling gate works best when there's concrete underneath the gate to mount a strip of angle iron for the gate to track/roll-on (2nd photo). Doing this does bring added cost but is well worth it. The wheels will last longer, and much less effort is used when opening and closing the gate. Angle iron provides a consistent, open and close alignment of the gate, similar to a train riding on train tracks, if you will. Chain link rolling gates are the most popular style in today's market. They offer an easy way to secure a property and provide an aesthetically pleasing look.

This type of gate is ideal for main driveways where the gate opening is flat and concrete is underneath the gate opening. This type of rolling gate is for openings from 12'-20' wide. More often than not rolling gates get a bad rap for wheels hanging up and gates not rolling straight into the gate latch. This can be solved! A rolling gate works hands down the best WHEN there is concrete underneath the gate to mount a strip of angle iron for the gate to track/roll on (2nd photo). Doing this does bring added cost but is well worth it. The wheels will last longer and much less effort is used when opening and closing the gate. Angle iron provides a consistent open and close alignment of the gate, similar to a train riding on train tracks if you will.

Pros of rolling gate:
  • Vehicle can be right in front or behind gate and you can still open/close the gate.
  • Gate will never accidentally swing and hit a car, because it rolls parallel to fence.
  • Most roll gates are single; opposed to a double swing gate where you have to technically open two gates.
  • Potential to add a gate operator with addition of angle iron, v-groove wheel, & tail.
  • Gate frame pipe is larger than that of a double swing gate.
Cons of rolling gate:
  • Chain link rolling gates are often more expensive than a double swing gate
  • It can be a physical job opening and closing the gate if the ground surface isn't smooth and flat

We recommend this gate if you have a smooth flat hard surface (ideally concrete) for the gate to roll on and daily use is needed. This gate will always work best if there is concrete under the gate opening, in which case we can mount the angle iron track so the gate alignment is consistent and perfect. Price reflects these options.

For gate openings larger then 20': Click Here

FENCE DIAGRAM

See above diagram for visual help.

INSTALLATION PROCESS

Every job size differs, but a close rule of thumb on how we run our business is:

  • 1 day to set fence posts, all posts are set in concrete (unless stated otherwise)
  • Takes 3-4 business days for the concrete to cure and/or make the gates.
  • 1 day to stretch the wire and hang the gates
 
Set Monday​, Finish Thursday or Friday
Set Tuesday​, Finish Friday or Monday
Set Wednesday, Finish Monday or Tuesday
Set Thursday​, Finish Tuesday or Wednesday
Set Friday​, Finish Wednesday or Thursday
 
Exact finish dates are determined once post setting has been complete.
Our office staff does ALL the scheduling and will confirm dates with the customer prior to start. 
We try to keep all our customers informed and up to date on our installs. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to call our office.

PROPERTY LINES



Fence inside at least a few inches

  • Property pins/survey stakes are the only way to know 100% where your exact property line is (see photo for what some property pins look like), we can pull a track map with footages to get an idea where they might be and the help of a metal detector often finds them if they are there or buried below.
  • In the event we are unable to locate them for you, it would be in your best interest to get the property surveyed so we can ensure the fence is placed in the correct spot. If multiple neighbors have fences that all ‘line up’ then usually you would follow suit and stay inline with them, but again, property pins tell the truth.
  • It's always best to pull your fence line in at least a few inches (see photo) for comfort and to avoid the neighbor conversation 'my fence-your fence' debate in the future
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  • WE THE CONTRACTOR ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR PROPERTY LINE LOCATIONS, EASEMENTS, ROADS OR ANY OTHER BOUNDARY TYPE SETBACKS WITH FENCE INSTALLATIONS.

EASEMENTS

There is a possibility there are utility lines running underground or above ground (on power poles) between you and your neighbor’s property.  This exact information is often found in your preliminary title report you received when purchasing the home.  Sometimes the city can get you this paperwork as well.  Do know it isn’t a standard property map; utility easements are only shown on a much more detailed layout like the photo below. 

It is always best to place the fence outside of the said easement, leaving free access to the easement at any time.  If the total easement is 20’ wide, usually you and your neighbor would split the difference, 10’ each. So if there were property pins in the center of the easement (where the actual property boundary is) your fence should be no closer than 10’ from the property pin.  Some easements are obvious, as multiple neighbors have all given in for the easement with their fence and it’s easy to follow suit.  Sometimes people do not leave these dedicated easements open for public access and will just allow the utility workers to enter their yard to have access to the utility lines if need be.  This, however, can be a headache for all parties involved and should be avoided at all cost, and often illegal if it does in fact show a dedicated easement on your title report.  We the contractor shall not be responsible for property line locations, easements, roads or any other boundary type setbacks with fence installations.  If it is of any concern contact a licensed surveyor to better assist in the matter.

Fence Height Codes

How Tall Can My Fence Be?

Every city/county has different fence height rules/codes, so it is always best to check with your city or county to know for sure. Most cities in the High Desert allow for 4’ max height in front and 6’ max height in the rear of the house. San Bernardino County allows for 4’ max chain link fence height in front and 6’ max height in rear of the house, EXCEPT in "RC" (resource conservation) and "RL" (rural living) land-use zoning where you can go as tall as 5' tall in the front yard. Many homes do have taller fences in the front yard than allowed by code, but it is always the responsibility of the homeowner if a problem occurs. So, how high can a fence be in California?

The Town of Apple Valley

The Town of Apple Valley has adopted a new ordinance that states any home built after June of 2007 in zones R-SF and R-EQ CANNOT have any chain link fence in the front or front street side yards. Click the "Apple Valley fence height" links below to read more if this pertains to you. Check the APPLE VALLEY ZONING MAP to see which zone you fall in. Remember the new ordinance is only for homes built AFTER June of 2007. Yes, this seems very impractical as thousands of homes already have front yard chain links, and your neighbor's house that was built in 2006 can have something your new home can't: very unfortunate.

The City of Victorville

NOTE: The City of Victorville amended their front yard chain link code in Feb. 2015, lots under 1/2 acre in select areas are NOT allowed to have chain link in the front yard regardless of fence height. The zoning that you are allowed to have chain link in the front yard is R-1B 1/2 (1/2 acre or more of land). You also are NOT allowed to fence in bare land on residential property in the City of Victorville. CITY OF VICTORVILLE ZONING MAP

City/County Information Links

Are you still wondering how high a fence can be in California? For your convenience, click the links below for local city info on chain link fence height:

Apple Valley

Adelanto

Hesperia

San Bernardino

Victorville

Want to learn more? Call us at (760) 948-2428 or contact us online.

POOL CODES

Most pool codes state a minimum of 5' tall 'non-climb' fence with self closing and self latching gates that are no wider than 48" in width and only open away from the pool. Our current fences that CAN meet this requirement are:

 

  • 1 1/4" chain link (this is small diamond chain link, standard diamond chain link is 2 1/4")
  • Privacy chain link

For your convienence click the links below for local city info. Always check with your city to verify the exact code.

 

TRACTOR WORK

We do clear brush from fence lines that we will be installing fence on. This is an additonal cost as it takes more time and equipment. As for grading, we can smooth out sharp grade changes for a smoother end look, BUT we are limited on the amount of dirt we are able to move, so this all depends on the severity of the current grade. Actual grading will be determined at the time of the estimate, and we will NOT guarantee a perfectly flat or level grade.

We do NOT haul any of the bushes/brush/trees away. All debris/dirt is left alongside the fence line.

RETAIL SALES

  • Your salesman came out and gave me an estimate, but I’d rather save money and do it myself. Can I buy the material from you?
  • OF COURSE - We will sell you anything you need. We can often give discounts for purchasing the materials for your entire job (ie: fabric/posts/top rail/fittings).

 

GATE OPERATORS

Gate Installation

We do not install any gate operators, however, we do work with a few licensed contractors and electrians who can quote and install gate operators for you. We can set up your rolling gate so it is 'ready for an operator' at the time of the fence installation and can then be easily hooked up to an operator at a later date. Things that are a must with a gate operator are; concrete strip under the gate, angle iron bolted to the concrete strip (via concrete anchors), v-groove wheel assembly (welded into the gate), and boxed tail (welded on the end of the gate) that would give added length to surpass the operator when it gets mounted to the ground for chain hookup. The price would increase depending on what the customer already has and how many added upgrades they want on their gate. Give us a call and we would be more than happy to refer you to a few of the companies that handle gate operators specifically.

Why are some fences straight on top and others ‘wavy’?

This all depends on the ground and how much or little gap is acceptable under the fence.

  • If the ground is flat or the grade is consistent, then the fence should be flat or straight.
  • If the ground has dips or humps the top of the fence must mirror the bottom.
*It always looks better when the fence is straight on top, but this often means the customer must backfill the fence line with dirt where gaps appear to avoid dogs getting under.
*Some fence lines fluctuate too much in grade to ever consider being straight on top.

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  • Wavy fence
    Wavy fence Wavy fence

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  • 5' chain link
    5' chain link 5' chain link

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  • Straight fence
    Straight fence Straight fence

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  • 5' chain link
    5' chain link 5' chain link

What type of material do you use?

Here is what we consider to be our standard specs for residential materials:
 
4' chain link:
-11.5 gauge chain link
-2 3/8" Terminal Posts 16 ga.
-1 5/8" Line Posts 16 ga. (10' on center)
-1 3/8" Toprail 16 ga.
-9 gauge bottom tension wire
 
5' chain link:
-11.5 gauge chain link
-2 3/8" Terminal Posts 16 ga.
-1 5/8" Line Posts 16 ga. (10' on center)
-1 3/8" Toprail 16 ga.
-9 gauge bottom tension wire
 
6' chain link:
-11.5 gauge chain link
-2 3/8" Terminal Posts 16 ga.
-1 7/8" Line Posts 16 ga. (10' on center)
-1 3/8" Toprail 16 ga.
-9 gauge bottom tension wire
*Chain link terminal posts are set in concrete roughly 24" in the ground 
*Chain link line posts are set in concrete roughly 20" in the ground
 
4' PRIVACY chain link:
-9 gauge chain link
-2 3/8" Terminal Posts 16 ga.
-2 3/8" Line Posts 16 ga. (8' on center)
-1 5/8" Toprail 16 ga.
-9 gauge bottom tension wire
 
5' PRIVACY chain link:
-9 gauge chain link
-2 3/8" Terminal Posts 16 ga.
-2 3/8" Line Posts (Spacing depending on thickness)
-1 5/8" Toprail 16 ga.
-9 gauge bottom tension wire
 
6' PRIVACY chain link:
-9 gauge chain link
-2 3/8" Terminal Posts 16 ga.
-2 3/8" Line Posts (Spacing depending on thickness)
-1 5/8" Toprail 16 ga.
-9 gauge bottom tension wire
*PRIVACY chain link terminal posts are set in concrete 24"-30" in the ground
*PRIVACY chain link line posts are set in concrete 27"-33" in the ground
 
Pool Code 1 1/4" chain link: 4'/5'/6'
-11 gauge chain link
-2 3/8" Terminal Posts 16 ga.
-1 7/8" Line Posts 16 ga. (10' on center)
-1 3/8" Toprail 16 ga.
-9 gauge bottom tension wire
*Terminal posts are set in concrete roughly 24" in the ground 
*Line posts are set in concrete roughly 20" in the ground
 
This has been the industry standard for the High Desert for over 35 years and is what we have adopted and have been installing since we've been in business(1985).  If you have any concerns and would like any different material, please let us know at the time of the estimate. We can price you on any material you feel is necessary for your project.

 

Roll Gate Wheel Options

Roll Gate Wheel Options

Rolling gate wheels are a common gate installation accessory. They can be used with chain link fence gates to provide a rolling gate that is easy to move and open as needed. Whether you own a residential or commercial property, chain link gate wheels can be a great addition to any chain link fencing job, as they provide the flexibility of having an easy way to open and close the gate with no manual lifting or force needed.

At All American Fence Erectors, we have over 30 years of experience installing chain link fences and gates that are customized to fit your needs. That's why we provide you with rolling gate wheels as an additional accessory option for all of our chain link fence jobs, giving you the option of rolling your new gate whenever it's convenient.
Chain Link Fence Gate Wheel Options

We provide two different options for ground wheels on chain link rolling gates: Rubber wheels and V-groove wheels.

Rubber Wheels: Rubber wheels are intended to roll freely over any type of terrain but remember it's only as good as the ground it's rolling on. If you have rocky, sandy, or uneven ground under your rolling gate, it will make opening and closing your gate very difficult. If you have smooth hard-packed level dirt or concrete the rubber wheels work alright, but you often will still need to help guide the gate into the latch which isn't ideal, but if you aren't using the gate too often, it may not be of concern. This rolling gate wheel option is the cheaper of the two and the more common for that reason but it will take two hands and a little muscle to use.

 

Angle/V-groove Wheel: Angle/v-groove option is the preferred method as the gate guides perfectly in the exact same spot every time you open and close the gate. For this option to work, you must have concrete across the gate opening for the angle/v-track to bolt to. If you do not have a concrete driveway or your concrete driveway doesn't reach the gate opening, we can provide a quote for pouring a small concrete strip that works perfect for the cause (at an additional fee). This option is slightly more expensive but often well worth it and requires very little effort to use. The other plus about this setup is if you ever want to install a gate operator, the only way that will work is to have the angle/v-groove setup. Remember we don't install any of the gate operator/motors, but can refer you to a company that specializes in them for this rolling gate wheel option.

 

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Want to enjoy rolling your gate with ease and smoothness? Then we recommend the angle/v-groove option for rolling gate wheels. This will ensure you get the best performance out of your chain link gate wheel options. But if you need a simple and cost-effective way to open and close a chain link gate that you're not using too often, rubber wheels are a great option. 

Get your fence installed professionally at All American Fence. Complete the contact form to tell us more about your chain link fence gate wheels project. Get your free estimate now.

Are your prices competitive?

There are many reasons that have attributed to our success in selling more fence than ANY other fence company in the High Desert ever.  More often than not, the sale comes down to price.  We have reinvested in our business in many ways to get our prices as low as possible while still maintaining a professional experience and providing a great product.  We are a brick and mortar business that answers phone calls and stands behind our work.  We often beat any competitor's price as long as the competitor has equal licenses and certifications. 

Privacy Vinyl or Privacy Chain Link

  • Common question is always; which looks better, or is it worth the extra cost for privacy vinyl over privacy chain link.  
  • This is mainly subject to opinion of apperance or issue of durabilty (privacy chain link is far more durable then that of privacy vinyl due to it's steel frame work).  
  • Here is a great photo comparison of the exact same job with both types of fence.
  • Typically privacy vinyl costs 35%-45% MORE than privacy chain link.

Click here for more Privacy Vinyl info

Click here for more Privacy Chain Link info

Will my fence rust?

All chain link material and products we sell and install have been galvanized to avoid rust or maintenance.

What’s the warranty on your fences?

  • 3 year on material (excludes gate hardware).
  • 1 year on our workmanship/installations.
Exclusions: Vandalism, disaster type weather, wind damage, snow damage, water damage, flash floods (washes), animal or vehicular damage, any vinyl coated or powder coated material, and normal wear and tear.
Warranty subject to change without notice:

How long will my vinyl fence last?

  • Our vinyl fence is made from high quality virgin vinyl raw materials and has UV inhibitors to help prevent fading.  It is a very good and durable product but will show wear and marks upon normal wear and tear or certain abuse.
  • Like all plastic/vinyl, it will slightly discolor (usually only noticed when compared to brand new side by side) and get brittle over years in the sun.
  • Sprinklers spraying water on it can make it dull and blotchy looking.
  • Grass trimmings getting thrown at it (weed wacker will make it dull and blotchy with a green tint).
  • Any objects hitting or getting thrown at the fence can mark and break/crack the fence.
  • If proper care is taken, our vinyl fence will last for years.
  • 3 years on material
  • 1 year on our workmanship/installations.
    Exclusions: Vandalism, disaster type weather, wind damage, snow damage, water damage, flash floods (washes), animal or vehicular damage, any vinyl coated or powder coated material, and normal wear and tear.
    Warranty subject to change without notice:

Do you make vinyl ranch style gates, swing or rolling?

Vinyl gates have always been the missing link to vinyl fences due to lack of durability and appearance (photo 1).  We have been developing a structure that we can have confidence in its longevity without compromising the appearance.  We have come up with a STEEL design that mimics the design of the ranch style vinyl fence and are powder coated white to match the fence.  These have been a customer favorite and it’s easy to see why.  They’re made to last and look beautiful (see photos 2-4).  We can also incorporate chain link gates within the vinyl fence opening, (last photo), although it doesn't give that superb fit and finish, it is a much cheaper alternative.  

 

Will the vinyl ranch style fence keep my dogs in?

We can attach mesh to the backside of the fence to keep animals in or out.  The mesh we use is 2"x4" galvanized welded wire fence that is attached via self tapping screws and washers to usually the backside of the fence.  If you look closely the photos have the mesh attached to the backside, the goal is that it disappears in the background and isn't too noticeable.  Take into consideration the mesh is only attached with screws that are directly into the vinyl/plastic posts so if you have aggressive animals sometimes they can damage it very easily.  It is considered a decorative fence so keep that in mind when it comes to durability from objects/animals. 

 

 

Can I slat my existing chain link fence without it blowing down?

  • Yes, HOWEVER, additional posts should be set in between existing posts for added strength due to the wind.
  • We recommend using 2 3/8" diameter, 16ga thickness for the additional posts.
  • Many people make the mistake of slatting a fence that was not intended to withstand wind load. 
  • NOTE: The slats that fit in standard chain link are NOT the same slats found in Privacy Chain Link, nor do you get the same privacy coverage as 'Privacy Chain Link' (see photo above for comparison). Privacy Chain Link slats come premanufactured with the slats already in the rolls of mesh. These slats wouldn't fit in standard chain link due to their width.

 

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  • Privacy chain link slate
    Privacy chain link slate Privacy chain link slate

 

Can I install Privacy Chain Link on my existing chain link posts?

We never recommend this because not only is the Privacy Chain Link thicker gauge wire which is heavier, but the slats are laced so tightly that minimal wind can pass through, which in turn puts a load on the fence.  So we highly recommend using materials of greater strength-- not only the posts (min. 2 3/8" line posts set closer together, thickness of the line posts will determine distance between each one) but larger top rail (1 5/8") and steel ties are needed, which usually leaves nothing to be reused.

Do you make rolling gates with the Privacy Chain Link on them?

We do NOT--strictly because the wind load is far too violent with the way roll gates attach to the fence- two steel wheels are the only thing holding a roll gate in place to the fence itself.  We don’t want to install something you simply cannot use safely in windy conditions.

What if I want the fence over my concrete patio/sidewalk etc.?

  • If we need to set a post in your concrete, for whatever reason, we can core drill (see photo above) a hole through the concrete and set our post inside it (via: smooth quick setting cement).  OR, we can use a post that has a base plate welded to the bottom of it and use concrete sleeve anchors to bolt it down to your concrete. This method is nice because if in the future you want to remove the post, you’re only left with 4 small bolts that can be hammered down flush.
  • Core drilling is usually the best way to go as it leaves the cleanest finished look, as long as you want the post there permanently.

 

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  • Chain Link Fence
    Chain Link Fence Chain Link Fence

 

Does your company cement the posts in the ground?

  • Yes, 99.9% of jobs the posts are cemented in the ground.
  • Dirt setting the posts is only for temporary jobs where the customer wants the cost as low as possible.
​NOTE: dirt setting the posts is only done upon request, price would reflect.

Do I need to call ‘DIG ALERT’ before you put my fence up?

  • No. You can if you’d like, however with our insurance, we the contractor, must call in your address for line location. Whether you do or not, we still will.
  • There can be ground marking paint, multiple flags and/or whisker tassels placed in the ground to represent the underground utilities. Please don’t pull them out as they are crucial when we dig our post holes.
  • There is no way of us knowing what time the utility markings will get done. If you have dogs or locked gates, then they will get in touch with you prior to us starting to set up a time to meet you.

I already have a rolling gate; can I hook up a gate operator to it?

An operator can be installed to your rolling gate if your gate is equipped with the proper items needed (v-groove wheel assembly & a boxed tail for added gate length, as well as a concrete strip for the gate to roll on for angle iron to attach to).  Most of the time gates aren’t set up for an operator, in which case we would have to modify your gate and depending on the condition your gate is in, possibly make you a completely new roll gate.

 

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    Gate Installation-2 Gate Installation-2

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  • 16x5 rolling gate, operator ready
    16'x5' rolling gate, 'operator ready'-1 16x5 rolling gate, operator ready

 

 

The opening for my gate is far from level, how does this work?

Ideally you want your gate openings as level as possible for ease of use, however, we can build a gate with the correct amount of ‘hill side’ in it to match the slope of the ground. This would make the gate shape a ‘parallelogram’.

NOTE: Double swing gates often end up ‘running into the ground’ when the high side opens up. This all depends on the steepness of the slope.  The dirt then needs to be dug down for the radius of the gate to open with ease.

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  • 5' chain link, 12' double swing gate
    5' chain link, 12' double swing gate 5' chain link, 12' double swing gate